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02/22/2012 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION


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08:02:22 AM Start
08:03:05 AM SB170|| SB199
08:43:30 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 170 VOCATIONAL ED. COUNSELING IN SCHOOLS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 170 Out of Committee
*+ SB 199 VOCATIONAL EDUCATION FUNDING FACTOR TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 199 Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
          SB 170-VOCATIONAL ED. COUNSELING IN SCHOOLS                                                                       
           SB 199-VOCATIONAL EDUCATION FUNDING FACTOR                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:03:05 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER announced  the consideration of SB 170  and SB 199                                                               
and  stated that  public testimony  was open  on both  bills. Mr.                                                               
Richmond would introduce SB 170  and Ms. Morledge would introduce                                                               
SB 199.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MURRAY  RICHMOND,  staff for  Senator  Joe  Thomas, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature  and   co-aide  to  the  Senate   Education  Standing                                                               
Committee, said  most schools in  the state offered some  kind of                                                               
vocational  counseling   and  SB  170  would   extend  vocational                                                               
counseling down to middle school for every school in the state.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  said  minimum  vocational  counseling   would  occur  in  the                                                               
seventh, ninth  and eleventh  grades. He  said studies  had shown                                                               
that the seventh grade was  an ideal time to introduce counseling                                                               
when students  start making career  choices. He said  ninth grade                                                               
was  generally the  first year  of high  school and  guidance was                                                               
important to tie  needed curriculum with career  choices. He said                                                               
eleventh grade students are preparing  to graduate and counseling                                                               
addressed the final courses required for vocational or post-                                                                    
secondary education.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He said  Section 1 in SB  170 addressed duties of  the Department                                                               
of  Education  and  Early  Development   (DEED)  and  included  a                                                               
paragraph  that  insures  the delivery  of  Vocational  Education                                                               
Training Counseling (VETC) under AS 14.14.090.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:06:35 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHMOND said  Section 2  outlined  the duties  of a  school                                                               
district  and  noted that  DEED  would  provide assistance  if  a                                                               
district was unable to provide VETC.  He said a district that was                                                               
providing a comprehensive VETC could continue their program.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:07:24 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DAVIS joined the meeting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHMOND said  a Columbia  University  study concluded  that                                                               
minimum VETC  intervention was a very  effective tool, especially                                                               
in middle school.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:08:29 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS   commented  that  students  tend   to  have  an                                                               
inaccurate idea of what was  required academically for particular                                                               
occupations. He said VETC would  have a substantial impact on the                                                               
ability  of students  to better  understand  the occupation  they                                                               
were considering and the course track required.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHMOND replied  that he agreed. He noted  the importance of                                                               
starting students on  the right track and VETC  would provide the                                                               
impetus.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  commented that  he  participated  in the  recent                                                               
Mayor's  Education  Summit  in  Anchorage.  He  noted  Samuel  E.                                                               
Abrams'  presentation  on  Finland's education  system.  He  said                                                               
Finnish students  made their  career choices  by ninth  grade and                                                               
their  graduation  rate  was nearly  100  percent.  He  expressed                                                               
appreciation that Senator Thomas brought SB 170 forward.                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
8:11:50 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked Ms. Morledge to introduce SB 199.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:12:02 AM                                                                                                                    
EDRA  MORLEDGE,  staff  to  Senator  Kevin  Meyer,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  and  co-aide  to   the  Senate  Education  Standing                                                               
Committee, said  SB 199  would open  up the  vocational education                                                               
funding factor  that was built  into the Base  Student Allocation                                                               
(BSA) with  SB 84. She  said a 1.01 percent  vocational education                                                               
funding  factor  was included  into  the  foundation formula  for                                                               
vocational  educational programs  for students  in ninth  through                                                               
twelfth grade.  She said  many school  districts had  expressed a                                                               
desire to expand the VETC program to middle school students.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She said  research indicated that  middle school was  the optimal                                                               
age  to introduce  career and  technical education  programs. She                                                               
said VETC  would help to  engage students  at an earlier  age and                                                               
capture  more   students  who  were  losing   interest  in  their                                                               
education  by high  school. She  said districts  would have  more                                                               
flexibility  in   how  they  develop  and   deliver  programs  by                                                               
including seventh and eighth grades.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She said SB  199 would simply change the name  of the high school                                                               
vocational and technical instruction  funding factor to secondary                                                               
school  vocational   and  technical  and   technical  instruction                                                               
funding factor.  She said  the name change  was the  key language                                                               
that would open it up to  the seventh and eighth grades as Alaska                                                               
statues  defined secondary  schools  as  seventh through  twelfth                                                               
grades. She said  SB 199 would replace the  language that allowed                                                               
the use  of the funding  from students enrolled in  ninth through                                                               
twelfth grades to students enrolled in a secondary school.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:14:03 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS highlighted  that SB  170  and SB  199 had  zero                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER inquired  why SB 170 received  a Finance Committee                                                               
referral  and SB  199  received a  Labor  and Commerce  Committee                                                               
referral.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  commented that  she liked the  changes made  in SB
199.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:15:25 AM                                                                                                                    
CAROL COMEAU, Superintendent, Anchorage  School District, said SB
199 would  provide more flexibility  for middle  school students.                                                               
She  said  the Anchorage  School  District  (ASD) had  tremendous                                                               
success  the  last couple  of  years  with middle  school  career                                                               
guides. She  noted that prior  testimony on VETC at  earlier ages                                                               
was  correct. She  said VETC  provided  earlier discussions  with                                                               
students regarding  long term thinking about  careers and courses                                                               
required to achieve their goals.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked if there  was increased demand for VETC from                                                               
parents and students.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COMEAU  answered yes.  She  said  VETC  had become  a  major                                                               
priority  with  ASD's  school board  as  they  addressed  dropout                                                               
rates,  graduation rates  and how  to better  engage students  to                                                               
keep them interested  in school. She noted that  Samuel E. Abrams                                                               
from  the  Mayor's  Education  Summit visited  a  number  of  ASD                                                               
schools and  was intrigued  with the  added Career  and Technical                                                               
Education (CTE) courses  in addition to the  initiation of career                                                               
pathways in middle school. She  said ASD's comprehensive VETC has                                                               
led  to  enthusiastic  students  and  noted  that  VETC  advisory                                                               
committees had been beneficial to its success.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:18:54 AM                                                                                                                    
RICK RIOS,  Director, Career and Technology  Education, Anchorage                                                               
School  District, noted  that President  Obama's recent  State of                                                               
the  Union Address  emphasized  education,  technical skills  and                                                               
jobs.  He  said  that  last year  the  Alaska  State  Legislature                                                               
supported career  and technical  education by  passing SB  84. He                                                               
said the  investment made by the  state did not reach  all of the                                                               
students  who  desperately need  career  information  and SB  199                                                               
would allow that to happen.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:21:50 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS asked  if  there  was a  plan  to  track of  the                                                               
successes.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RIOS answered no.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:23:47 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER  asked how prepared  rural districts were  to take                                                               
on VETC.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RIOS answered  that he could not answer for  the rural school                                                               
districts. He  said he communicated  with rural schools as  a CTE                                                               
cohort coordinator and  noted they had to deal  with added issues                                                               
regarding fuel and  staffing. He said the state's CTE  plan was a                                                               
good  plan  and following  in  whatever  capacity would  make  it                                                               
possible for  rural school districts  to be more  successful than                                                               
administrating independent procedures.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER commented  that his goal was to  not lose students                                                               
who may  drop out of  school due to a  lack of interest  in their                                                               
current career options.  He said he wanted to make  sure that all                                                               
kids would have an opportunity for VETC.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RIOS  responded that a  district would have to  address local                                                               
economics  and opportunities  to  keep people  at  home prior  to                                                               
developing a CTE plan.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:26:56 AM                                                                                                                    
BARBARA  HUFF TUCKNESS,  Director,  Governmental and  Legislative                                                               
Affairs, General  Teamsters Local  959, Anchorage,  said students                                                               
would be  more successful with additional  educational tools. She                                                               
noted  that   more  high   school  graduates   required  remedial                                                               
mathematics  education  when   attending  vocational  school  and                                                               
having students focus earlier on their careers was beneficial.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:30:40 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MEYER asked  if  her son  knew he  had  an interest  in                                                               
vocational education by middle school.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUFF TUCKNESS  answered that her son did  not have vocational                                                               
and technical opportunities in high school.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  asked if there  was an educational void  prior to                                                               
vocational and technical training.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUFF TUCKNESS  answered yes. She said  assuring that students                                                               
graduated from  high school  with basic  education tool  sets was                                                               
important.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:33:55 AM                                                                                                                    
LES  MORSE, Deputy  Director, Department  of Education  and Early                                                               
Development,  Juneau, said  SB 199  expressed the  intent of  the                                                               
legislature to provide  some expansion of how  the vocational and                                                               
technical education  funding was  intended to  be spent.  He said                                                               
funding was  spent discretionarily, but districts  were trying to                                                               
be true  to the intent  of the legislature.  He said DEED  has no                                                               
problem with  SB 199  and believed it  was good  legislation that                                                               
would support schools.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:35:20 AM                                                                                                                    
CYNTHIA  CURRAN,  Director,  Division of  Teaching  and  Learning                                                               
Support, Department  of Education and Early  Development, Juneau,                                                               
said  Mr.  Rios referred  to  the  CTE  plan that  insured  every                                                               
student received  a personal learning  and career plan.  She said                                                               
SB 170 would help to move  the CTE strategy down to middle school                                                               
students.  She  said  the  Department   of  Labor  and  Workforce                                                               
Development in  addition to  the State  Library System  offered a                                                               
number of free career development resources to all Alaskans.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:37:39 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MEYER closed  public testimony  on SB  170 and  SB 199.                                                               
Finding  no   further  questions  or  committee   discussion,  he                                                               
solicited separate motions to move the bills.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:38:13 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  moved to report  SB 170 from the  committee with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached zero fiscal note(s).                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER announced  that without  objection, SB  170 moved                                                               
from the Senate Education Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:38:29 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS  moved to  report  SB  199 from  committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached zero fiscal note(s).                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:38:39 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  announced that without  objection, SB  199 moved                                                               
from the Senate Education Standing Committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  noted that SB  170 and SB  199 may merge  at some                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Sponsor Statement SB 199.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 199
SB 199 Support Letter - Altenhof.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 199
Kodiak Daily Mirror Article.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 199 Kodiak Daily Mirror Article
SB 199 Where Did the Money Go.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 199 - Where Did The Money Go - Report
SB170-EED-TLS-2-9-12.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 170
SB 170 Sponsor Statement.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 170
SB 170 School Based Career Development.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB199_EED-ESS-2-17-2012.pdf SEDC 2/22/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 199